tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35481891.post4487253062419418123..comments2022-05-15T11:52:41.828+03:00Comments on rabbisedley: Rav Lichtenstein's View on Homosexualityrabbi sedleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15276453426346276243noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35481891.post-50743458759204748522013-01-20T06:56:28.925+02:002013-01-20T06:56:28.925+02:00...which statement was released, essentially, in t......which statement was released, essentially, in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hakirah-Flatbush-Journal-Jewish-Thought/dp/1936803011" rel="nofollow">this volume of <i>Hakirah</i></a>Jasperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446118177720288082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35481891.post-91889223627539236242013-01-20T06:48:04.630+02:002013-01-20T06:48:04.630+02:00And the discussion continues:
Rav Shmuel Kamenetsk...And the discussion continues:<br /><a href="http://www.torahdec.org/" rel="nofollow">Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky's declaration</a><br /><br />...which I actually came onto via <a href="http://seforim.blogspot.com/2013/01/hakirah-metzitzah-and-more.html" rel="nofollow">Prof. Marc Shapiro's post</a>.<br /><br />(Prof. Shapiro actually has in that same post another blurb on the topic of Prof. Louis Henkin's passing, which I think, citing Yoel Finkelstein's <i>Strictly Kosher Reading</i>, makes a pretty interesting point.)Jasperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446118177720288082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35481891.post-89213952914800509532013-01-02T17:04:09.258+02:002013-01-02T17:04:09.258+02:00I think you went too far in 2003. The loving monog...I think you went too far in 2003. The loving monogamous gay relationship is assur, as you note in this follow-up. Not branded "to'eivah", but Torahitically prohibited nonetheless. And even prohibited to Noachides.<br /><br />The distinction between hating the sin and hating the sinner still stands. As does the observation that the difference in how we treat gays from people who violate Shabbos, eat shellfish or cheat in business is homophobia, not Torah. The latter two are no less to'eivos than homosexual relations are.<br /><br />As for where we should stand legislatively... Experience has shown that trying to compel observance on the unwilling by influencing civil law tends to backfire. E.g. I believe that fewer of Israel's non-religious would be anti-religious if it weren't for the attempts to mandate observance through Shabbat and kashrut laws. (I'm not speaking of mandating standards on the state, but making violation less possible by the individual.) And with fewer antis out there, there would actually be more observance overall.micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.com